What kind of America did the Founding Fathers envision? Dennis Prager explores the bitter rivalry between Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton with historian John Ferling, author of Jefferson and Hamilton: The Rivalry That Forged a Nation. Though both played crucial roles in the founding of the United States, they had radically different visions for the country’s future.

Dennis and Professor Ferling examine Hamilton’s enormous influence on the new nation, from his role in the Revolutionary War and the Federalist Papers to his work as George Washington’s Secretary of the Treasury, where he helped address the country’s enormous financial problems. They also discuss Hamilton’s infamous duel with Aaron Burr and the political rivalry that preceded it.

The conversation then turns to the fundamental disagreement between Jefferson and Hamilton. Hamilton favored a stronger central government and a more powerful national economy, while Jefferson emphasized individual liberty and the importance of the states. Dennis and Ferling also explore Jefferson’s complicated relationship with the French Revolution and what their competing visions reveal about the political debates that helped shape America.